<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8951904624959546499.post1613548395852735829..comments</id><updated>2008-04-02T13:30:54.810-04:00</updated><category term='Lightning Talks'/><category term='test blogs'/><category term='Silliness'/><category term='Teamwork'/><category term='process'/><category term='bugs'/><category term='STARwest'/><category term='Podcast'/><category term='Data Warehouse Testing'/><category term='STPCon'/><category term='software testing career'/><category term='language'/><category term='Presentations'/><category term='Stareast'/><category term='Test This'/><category term='testing metaphor'/><category term='Managing Testing'/><category term='heuristics'/><category term='CAST'/><category term='metrics'/><category term='Kanban'/><category term='Tools'/><category term='Don&apos;t Test It'/><category term='automation'/><category term='writing tests'/><category term='Testing Related Ideas'/><category term='questions'/><title type='text'>Comments on Test This Blog - Eric Jacobson's Software Testing Blog: Integration Testing Bug Investigation</title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.testthisblog.com/feeds/1613548395852735829/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8951904624959546499/1613548395852735829/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.testthisblog.com/2008/03/integration-testing-bug-investigation.html'/><author><name>Eric Jacobson</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08216361684596485033</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='25' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_COPM94ChagE/Sc6u2w2bOOI/AAAAAAAADa8/pRZu-GjkVyQ/S220/Copy+of+coasters2+010-1.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>2</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8951904624959546499.post-3175157499513891792</id><published>2008-04-02T13:30:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2008-04-02T13:30:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Yes, I agree, a good tester should do that.  But o...</title><content type='html'>Yes, I agree, a good tester should do that.  But only to an extent.  Even after eliminating possible causes the devs still sometimes shrug and say "it's not my code".  And it is difficult for the tester to convince them otherwise.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the devs to walk over to each other's cube and figure it out sometimes.  In fact, I'm embarrassed for them if they have not done this prior to giving me something testable.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8951904624959546499/1613548395852735829/comments/default/3175157499513891792'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8951904624959546499/1613548395852735829/comments/default/3175157499513891792'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.testthisblog.com/2008/03/integration-testing-bug-investigation.html?showComment=1207157400000#c3175157499513891792' title=''/><author><name>Eric Jacobson</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08216361684596485033</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2035/2089552211_bf914d055d_o.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.testthisblog.com/2008/03/integration-testing-bug-investigation.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8951904624959546499.post-1613548395852735829' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8951904624959546499/posts/default/1613548395852735829' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-172087392'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8951904624959546499.post-4096327338210950285</id><published>2008-04-02T10:20:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2008-04-02T10:20:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>A good tester is a trouble shooter.  By trouble-sh...</title><content type='html'>A good tester is a trouble shooter.  By trouble-shooting, you should eliminate possible causes of a bug in one module and then do the same with another module.  As a dev, I would not want to debug other dev's problem if I don't have to.  It's just too time-consuming and makes me look like an idiot when I don't know well about another module (so many stupid questions to ask just to set up test data).  I assume you were talking about a complex system.  Hence, test data is hard to set up.  Otherwise, you wouldn't have this problem of figuring out which module is buggy.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8951904624959546499/1613548395852735829/comments/default/4096327338210950285'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8951904624959546499/1613548395852735829/comments/default/4096327338210950285'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.testthisblog.com/2008/03/integration-testing-bug-investigation.html?showComment=1207146000000#c4096327338210950285' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.testthisblog.com/2008/03/integration-testing-bug-investigation.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8951904624959546499.post-1613548395852735829' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8951904624959546499/posts/default/1613548395852735829' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-2042581779'/></entry></feed>
